EDITORIAL: Woodbridge teachers’ hard line on contract a big mistake
The editorial board of the Home News Tribune writes in its editorial today that the Woodbridge Township Education Association should reconsider their stance against reopening their contract to offer more concessions in light of news the school district may face unprecedented budget cuts.
"While the Woodbridge Board of Education is cutting its school budget to the bone, and discussing the possibility of up to 200 layoffs, the Woodbridge Township Education Association has said nothing doing when it was suggested the teachers re-open their contract," the editors write.
"Since the contract was ratified in October New Jersey has been turned on its axis."
The editorial quotes the New Jersey School Boards Association urging urged "the New Jersey Education, the state's largest teachers union, to cooperate in the reopening of existing contracts, with the goal of freezing salaries for the coming school year."
The editors continue: "What is being asked of the teachers is what is common in private industry today. As distasteful as wage freezes may be, they beat the alternative - massive layoffs."
On Friday, one of the school district's four employees union, that representing the supervisory and custodial staff, submitted a letter to the board saying they would agree to wage freezes as long as the other unions were on board.
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Ron 10:34 am on March 22, 2010 Permalink
No other workers in this state are getting raises. 10% of the workforce is still getting laid off every month and people are losing there house. God forbid that the Woodbridge teachers and staff put off getting there raises until things start to get better. I mean after all, what other group in the nation gets raises every single year and gets free benefits from the day their hired to the day they die? Sure us common people know your answer! The good folks of Woodbrige will just have to hunker down and pay more taxes so us leeches can suck the life out of of you so we can continue to get everything we want and more. So you wonder why the NJ Extortion Assc. is getting a bad rap, just wait, because you haven’t seen anything yet. Neither will the politicians in Woodbrige if they raise taxes any higher. They will be voted out real quick.
CorporateAmerica 2:08 pm on March 22, 2010 Permalink
In the private sector, they open up contracts all the time. Our bosses dont care if we cry and whine because we didnt get what we want. They do what they have to do to keep the company afloat. Desperate times call for desperate measures. All of you people live in this little bubble – well, the bubble has been popped! I hope you never have to get a job in Corporate America. You wouldnt last a second.
Time to toughen up. This is the real world. Welcome!
NJthoughts 7:01 pm on March 22, 2010 Permalink
It amazes me how uniformed some people are when they talk about what the teachers get.
I have talked to my teacher friend since all these changes have been discussed.
Teachers pay into their pension and into their insurance. Also, they aren’t entitled to disability insurance (like most are), so they pay into that if they choose to.
Many are angry because teachers don’t pay as much as others do in the corporate world. I would like to know how much this corporate job is paying you? I’m sure my teacher friend isn’t making anywhere near that amount.
TruthOfTheMatter 8:55 pm on March 22, 2010 Permalink
Bravo NJthoughts! Everything you said is true.
Yet it’s just not good enough.
As a matter of fact, CLOSE THE SCHOOLS! Turn off the light, lock the doors, and send the students home to their families. According to the Governor “Those People” don’t do anything anyway.
As RON B states above, “10% of the workforce is still getting laid off every month.” So there are plenty of people sitting home to educate their own children. Better yet, let them take in 20 to 30 more children each day and teach them too.
Hey CorporateAmerica, you’re right. Who do these teachers think they are…most of them have a Masters Degree and have been classified as Highly Qualified by the state of NJ. Where do they get off asking for a decent wage for the work they do. The gall!
CorporateAmerica 8:32 am on March 23, 2010 Permalink
TruthoftheMatter – Im not saying teachers dont deserve a decent wage. And I know how much teachers make – as most of my friends are teachers. They make a VERY decent wage for what they do for 10 months out of the year. What I am saying is that in these hard economic times – everyone should have to take a small hit. Why should teachers be getting raises when everyone else is losing their jobs, their homes, etc??? Is a pay freeze ideal? No. Is it for the health of our community/state? Yes.
We have ALL had to make some sacrifices. Instead of crying about it, we make do with what we have until this economy gets better.
And for the record, if your a teacher with a Masters degree and you’re not being properly compensated for it. Go work somewhere else. A Masters degree can take you lots of other places besides teaching.
Ron B 10:18 am on March 23, 2010 Permalink
Lets not forget the 8 Vice Principles in our High Schools that are making between $111,000+ and 119,000+. When I went to WHS in the early 60′s, we had split session with 30 or more kids in a class! We had one Principle and one Vice Principle? How in the world did they manage to run that school? Now they have one session and half the amount of kids in a class and we need 3 vice principles why? That’s the tip of the ice berg of all the waste that goes on in our schools. Do the math on how much the extra VP are costing the WBOE “But it’s for the children”, yeah right…
CorporateAmerica 10:45 am on March 23, 2010 Permalink
Ron B – funny you should mention that. After looking at these wasteful salaries online, you could save most of the sports/arts programs and keep most of the teachers in the classroom by cutting the extra VP’s, the extra supers, the extra guidance counselers, etc. But god forbid that should happen! God forbid they should make one or 2 people have multiple responsibilities! That would just be too much!
No one wants to make the hard, unpopular decisions and so the kids suffer. But they will try to make us feel like we are “the bad guys” for not supporting “the children”. Give me a break! I support education and am willing to pay my insane property taxes to keep Woodbridge schools “up to par”. I dont support wasteful spending and the crybabies who wont sacrifice anything for the greater good.
NJthoughts 10:53 pm on March 23, 2010 Permalink
Corporate America, I agree with your last comment.
I think that the wasteful spending has to go.
If you look at the latest proposed budget- it seems like they are on their way to doing that.
I think the cuts have to start at the top and go down. Instead of the other way around. Teacher salaries aren’t bad in Woodbridge but they’re also nowhere near the salaries that the administrators are making. We need those teachers in the classroom so that the class sizes don’t get too big.
mrrayo@yahoo.com 2:47 pm on March 24, 2010 Permalink
Fire them all. People are out of work and they don’t want a pay freeze… Get rid of them all. I am sure we can find qualified ppeople to teacher our kids…
NJthoughts 9:51 pm on March 24, 2010 Permalink
mrrayo,
It’s very disappointing how little respect the public has for teachers.
Not all teachers are the same.
I’ve heard some teachers say they that they would take a pay freeze as long as their pay isn’t cut. Teachers still have to make a living. Don’t make them out to be the bad guy. It’s not like they are making over 100K. They went through their schooling and have worked for their salary. There are other places to cut spending- how about the on the State level? Why isn’t anyone asking that?
Ron B 7:45 am on March 25, 2010 Permalink
NJthoughts ,
If you read the news you’d know that the Governor ordered every department in Trenton to cut I think 10% off there spending budget. There’s a lot of government departments in Trenton, so that’s a lot of money. That included the Governor’s office also.
He asked the NJEA to have the teachers and staff take a wage freeze for one year and pay 1.5% towards there benefits which is still incredibly cheap compared to what everyone else contributes in the real world. So the NJ Extortion Assoc. flatly said NO DEAL. We’d rather everyone’s property taxes go up again so we can continue to get ours and more. Plus we don’t care if it causes teachers to get laid off. That union needs to be disbanded completely, all they do it collect dues and spend millions on TV ads and grease politicians pockets and still have plenty left over to pay for all the union no show, do nothing jobs.
mrrayo@yahoo.com 12:45 pm on March 26, 2010 Permalink
NJthoughts,
Cut ALL THE CHIEFS……. But I have a better idea. Do away with the pension plan… If the State was smart and of course it is not. When big business decided to do away with pensions and have their employees go to a 401k. They did it to save money. Not because they cared about their employees. The state should have got on board with that. Give everyone a lump sum and they are responsible going forward to invest it. The state would have to contribute very little … This would have saved a lot of jobs and alot of headaches for tax payers…
NJthoughts 10:12 pm on March 26, 2010 Permalink
mmrayo,
That’s probably so. But if the state had been contributing their share than we wouldn’t be having such a problem with the pension plan. The pension is supposed to have contributions from the employees and the state. That money would be growing. Instead they didn’t contribute and it’s not funded as it should. Agree or not with the pension plan- but they made a mess of it.
In the corporate world employers match contributions- same idea here.
WoodbridgeNJ 6:40 pm on March 29, 2010 Permalink
It’s simple supply and demand. When one teaching position opens up there are literally hundreds of people applying for it. If there were 300 heart surgeons vying for one position you better believe heart surgeons would earn $50k per year.
Posted by someone on another board I frequent:
There is already a glut of teachers that can’t find jobs. I know a few who have teaching degrees but can’t find full time jobs. Couple this with private sector individuals who lost jobs and went into teaching for the security and benefits.
When changes occur (and they will) in the next 10 years, the market will get tighter. Now a teacher can retire between 55-65 with a pension and medical. When the municipalities shift to a more private sector approach in the next 10-15 years (defined contribution pensions and no medical for life) then teachers will be teaching until they can qualify for medicare and social security (similar to what the average private sector employee does today). You may also see tenure switch from 3 years to 5 years or even 10 years in some districts. So if teachers teach an average of 5 more years, that is 5 years worth of jobs for college graduates in education that will not be available.
We see this already where college grads can’t get jobs because people my age (30s) who are laid off are willing to take entry level type jobs to get benefits and pay bills. Then with technological advances like webinars, distance learning, and other ways to teach there will be a need for less teachers in some schools. In corporate America the role of corporate trainer is becoming extinct because of the technological advances. This may happen eventually in schools for educators. If webinars become the norm then you do not need teachers but assistant teachers to help the kids with questions after the webinar is over. Also, kids will be able to view lessons online at home and not always need to be in the actual classroom. One of the fastest growing Universities is the University of Phoenix because of its convenience for students. It is not at the level of top universities yet but in 50 years, who knows.
The current group of educators should be prepared for this change. Those under 40 should be prepared that in 10 years they may not be able to retire with the benefits their older colleagues have now will be able to retire with. I also predict that there will be shift of the best teachers working for private schools instead of public schools. As budget cuts affect districts and programs are eliminated, the private schools will be in a better financial position to pay for educators than the municipalities. After the benefits become more of what the private sector has, the private schools will be offering similar or better benefits to the public schools. Currently, a lot of teachers prefer public schools because of the pension and medical but once that goes away working at a private school becomes a better deal. So after the shift, the richest towns and private schools will be where the teachers want to be and not the towns that need state funding.
AND….
THERE WAS NO TAX CUT FOR THE RICH.
It was an additional tax specifically passed with Corzine to close his budget gap – IT HAD AN EXPIRATION AT THE END OF 2009.
Sergio Bichao 11:46 am on March 30, 2010 Permalink
Just a polite reminder: Comments that are overly personal and/or irrelevant will be deleted.
Let’s discuss the issues, not each others’ spelling.
RonB 8:43 am on March 31, 2010 Permalink
Thank You Sergio